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Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:06 PM
or how much weight to keep a coon from leaving.
here is the situation I am helping with a coon problem at a farm
elderly Widow lives there , rents out the tillable and some of the storage in the barns
the milk house , parlor , feed and waiting areas are sloped concrete and full of coons in the walls , under the floor, there is a curb and sand to the sides of the ally but I suspect I am going to find more concrete under .
for many of them I will be able to go just outside where they come and go and hit he trails and for ease of staking I am going to concentrate on that
a couple more of the barns have concrete floors and fairly obvious broken sections with burrows under the slab
because a few of these barns were for the cows to shelter they have cracked up walk ways from milking barn to these others so a lot of concrete around a lot with grass grown up through the cracks.
the good news is I can drive my truck to within about 50 feet of most of these barns.
I though about tossing the generator in the back of the truck and an extension cord and drilling a few holes in busted up concrete and using devcons
but that doesn't sound fast and I need to limit my setup time as well.
what have you used to set on concrete
I have 1 cat that no one owns but she doesn't want killed either, so it can get caught but has to get released. so no connies
what are your ideas?
Posted By: Kermit
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:12 PM
Brake rotor. Use rotor for dog proof stand and drag
Posted By: k snow
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:13 PM
I like using cages in that scenario, but they are big, bulky and expensive.
On concrete you'd need a lot of weight I would think.
Posted By: jbyrd63
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:15 PM
220 over opening. Don't take as much drag weight.....
Posted By: k snow
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
220 over opening. Don't take as much drag weight.....
Basic reading comprehension.
No connies was stated in the OP. And 220's are illegal on dry land in WI.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:35 PM
I have 2 cages , I might get another , they are expensive and the big ones really tear them up but they have their place.
I figure cages to get started in the parlor as it is all concrete and not even broken up
Posted By: The Beav
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:44 PM
Catch the cat In a live trap then find temporary housing for It till your done. . Then set 160 boxes.
Posted By: Wild_WI
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 03:51 PM
Not sure where your at but I see it's Wisconsin if your close I think I've got 10 or so live traps you could borrow, shoot me a pm
Posted By: Turtledale
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 04:12 PM
Concrete block with a DP
The DP holder meant to mount to a tree can be fixed to the concrete block
I wouldn't use a brake rotor coon can drag one all day long. Especially along concrete
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 04:39 PM
I can see what I can get for big brake Rotors.
what I have all sorts of is firewood rounds I could put several in the truck with DPs already Lag bolted to the side of the round and a hole drilled to set the DP at a nice angle for easy reach
do you think a 30 pound log is enough I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if it dragged it a little ways
Posted By: jabNE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 04:46 PM
Turtledale, I agree. Brake rotors work in creeks and soft ground, but worthless on a concrete slab.
A big coon can drag a concrete block quite a distance too, but they wont be able to take it up a wall or through small openings. Had one take a concrete block up a bank and out onto a mowed lawn where it stopped out open for all to see. Not good. But that was a far as it got. The location sets the tone of what you use, right?
Did a lot of coon takeouts in big machine sheds with concrete floors and drives. Be creative which where you mount and what you use. Tapcons anchoring down flat stock with holes for attaching works well on concrete bridge and culvert walls, ledges for me. Same with a floor. So does sandwiching the chain end link in between two large fender washers and run the tapcon through the washer holes and chain link screwing the tapcon right into the concrete. Bigger tapcons and an appropriate sized drilled hole in the concrete are a very solid anchoring. A battery powered hammer drill (or use the generator you mention) is valuable. You can drill a hole big enough to fit the DP post into flat side of a section of 2x6 and use that as the support for placement of DPs. Anchor the trap to really stout drag or tapcon down an anchor to the concrete using flat stock or washers sandwiching the end chain link.
You can put a lot of DPs in a barn like that. If there is anything on the walls to mount the trap chain to like eyebolts or shelf brackets, those work too. Lengthen the chain to reach it and support the DP on floor with the flat 2x6 section as mentioned. Id look at setting around the outside too wherever you can. Lots of coons wont stay in the barn all their time they have to go out and find food and water too. Hammer them on the trails to and from their other needs not just shelter. You can loop cable or chain around something like barn posts or light poles too.
Im not a fan of drags because I got tired it hunting for catches or having them end up somewhere I didnt want them to go.
Cages work well. Dont use cheap ones from tractor supply but get good well made cages built to hold large coon. They will serve for multiple catches over longer time.
Always have to consider what a catch might do to something too. A coon can really tear things up when foot held and on a length of chain.
Jim
Posted By: Kermit
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 04:56 PM
A barn floor is not a shop floor. And broken up . A rotor will bite and grab.Pens and walls and stalls Close the doors. How far will they go. A 30 pound clog will not get dragged far. Put a long chain on if you like.
Posted By: Vinke
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 05:12 PM
screw a cable to the wood wall and use a slide lock
Posted By: jarentz
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 05:15 PM
Why not try a tapcon,you could set a dp in a piece of 4x4
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by jarentz
Why not try a tapcon,you could set a dp in a piece of 4x4
I am thinking tap con will be good for the buildings with more broken up floors that I am not worried about putting a few holes in
I can slice off some 2 inch thick slabs from a firewood round for a good way to place the DP upright and drill a hole to stick the DP in
the issue is still how slow drilling holes is
my other idea is if there are enough for cracks between slabs I might be able to drill out holes to pound int 3x8 rebar stakes.
I will have a bunch few options when I go to set and see what I need to use , I am trying to keep my costs down.
Posted By: Scott__aR
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 06:33 PM
Just a crazy idea, but, could you anchor to the rafters or ceiling with a drop cable to the trap?
Posted By: k snow
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Just a crazy idea, but, could you anchor to the rafters or ceiling with a drop cable to the trap?
That's actually not a bad idea. I don't think. As long as they can't reach each other, or somewhere to climb.
Posted By: The Beav
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 06:42 PM
Go down to some rental shop and rent one of those Hilti guns. You can shoot all kinds of things Into concrete.
Are you getting paid to do this? If not i would be waiting till Nov to do it when those coon might be worth your time and effort.
Posted By: Yes sir
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 06:45 PM
I'm assuming with cows there's fences. If I could I'd tie off to them.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by The Beav
Go down to some rental shop and rent one of those Hilti guns. You can shoot all kinds of things Into concrete.
Are you getting paid to do this? If not I would be waiting till Nov to do it when those coon might be worth your time and effort.
yes getting paid more than coon will bring in Nov , unless the market goes wild and I don't really see a 20 dollar coon happening this fall.
I am going flat daily rate with a 10 day guarantee
all but 3 bails of hay is out of storage right now so now is the time to go in and clean up then clean up again later and maybe again later
with what hay is selling for , spoiled hay from coon feces is bad.
and with nothing having been done since they quit milking about 5-6 years ago they are thick.
the Hilti gun is a good idea , a friend of mine passed recently and I am helping his widow with guns and tools, I know he had a few hilti guns I used to carry one in my truck years ago when I worked for him.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Just a crazy idea, but, could you anchor to the rafters or ceiling with a drop cable to the trap?
That's actually not a bad idea. I don't think. As long as they can't reach each other, or somewhere to climb.
I have to think about that , it is at least 14 feet high in most of the buildings enough to get round bails stacked 4 high in the one probably 16-18 in a couple of them
tall enough to pull a combine in another
the big machine shed actually has a dirt floor that is the easy one
the parlor is the real tight spot with just so much for railings , hoses , pipes
I normally try and anchor so they haven't got anything substantial to grab on and pull just make me a dirt pile.
I left one a little too close to a grape vine one time and hot about 30 feet of grape vine piled up under the coon with chain rapped around it that as a mess.
Posted By: BigBob
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:33 PM
I have set traps on Glades using natural cracks and holes with Hydraulic Cement and AJ's, (drill hole, insert AJ, Pull threaded part up to set the lead, then bolt the trap down).
However, in that case, you can't go wrong with concrete blocks and DP's or footholds.
This was long before anybody had heard of cordless tools, I had to drag a generator out there!
Posted By: k snow
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:34 PM
In my early days I once set a cage directly on a large bale where they were denning. My cage looked like a small bale the next morning, stuffed tight, and snarled at me when I kicked it. Took some creativity to get that one done and over with.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by k snow
In my early days I once set a cage directly on a large bale where they were denning. My cage looked like a small bale the next morning, stuffed tight, and snarled at me when I kicked it. Took some creativity to get that one done and over with.
I need to cut some plywood scraps about a foot wider and longer than the cage traps and wire them to the cages so that they stop packing mud under the pan when I set on grass/dirt.
Posted By: Law Dog
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 07:58 PM
Cinder block all shapes and sizes at Menards find a materials dump site lots of concrete option. Just need a good hammer tool to make it easy a quality tool makes all the difference.
Posted By: HayDay
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 10:38 PM
Inside the buildings with concrete floors, how big are the doors? If you can close it up a bit, You could nail the chain of a DP or coil spring to a wooden fence post (or piece of tree branch) and use that as a drag inside the building. Fasten it towards the middle and it will hang up on all kinds of stuff. They won't get far.
Posted By: cbat
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 11:03 PM
If the concrete is broke up enough use some wolf fangs and DPs. Drive them through whatever cracks you can get them in.
Posted By: charles
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 05/31/24 11:09 PM
I anchored a 220 with a cinder block on a concrete spillway at a pond on a Girl Scout camp. All the blocking was with blocks and it worked on the first night.
Posted By: Brian Mongeau
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 01:19 AM
Most farms around here have a pile of used tires. Chain dp's to them.
Posted By: uplandpointer
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 01:34 AM
3/16 drill in hammer drill. Drill hole 3" drop 4" piece of tie wire in to it. Then take a 16 penny duplex and attach through the Tap/chain using a washer if needed. Drive the nail in. I will hold on concrete,asphalt, stone.... If you use a duplex you can pull the nail back out.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 04:12 AM
Originally Posted by HayDay
Inside the buildings with concrete floors, how big are the doors? If you can close it up a bit, You could nail the chain of a DP or coil spring to a wooden fence post (or piece of tree branch) and use that as a drag inside the building. Fasten it towards the middle and it will hang up on all kinds of stuff. They won't get far.
mostly 3 sided buildings and an old corn crib that has an 8foot door at each end
some of the buildings have farm trucks tractors and planters so I need to plant the coons to one place
I think I found a solution
my son works at a hardware store , so I went to visit him they had hammer drill bits that had 1/4 inch hex heads I bought one in 3/8 and I have a 1/2 inch square drive to 1/4 hex impact adapter
I tried it on an old concrete bock I have at the house
the 1/2 inch impact ran a hole right in , and then switch to the 9/16 socket and drive the 3/8 x3 inch concrete screw anchor , then they can be pulled right back out
I already have the battery powered impact I keep in my truck.
it was actually faster than driving a stake in hard ground
I will be leaving 3/8 holes but in the more busted up concrete that shouldn't be an issue.
this is very similar to a 3/8 x3 inch devcon just not blue
Posted By: HayDay
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 12:50 PM
Forgot to mention the traps I use in my own barn.......cement floors.......with barn cats present. A vertical coni box with 160's. We have to have these 6 feet off the floor, so mine get a shelf below the bottom opening. Otherwise, just position them near the floor.........about 4 inch opening. Bait is dry cat food up high inside on a bait shelf. Once trained to find the bait, they will race each other to get to it first. Narrow opening means they have to push forward with rear paws.........while pushing up with front paws.........lead with head and get a perfect neck strike about time their rear hips clear the bottom edge.
Feed the barn cats in the morning and they don't care about the cat food in the box. Or this time of year, just switch to mini marshmallows, candy corn or something sweet cats don't care about.
Posted By: jbyrd63
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 02:19 PM
concrete block or a tire. Strawberry mashmallow or something sweet to avoid cat . Drill a hole in block or tire to put trap stake in.
Posted By: Golf ball
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 02:57 PM
My buddy found out the hard way that a little coon can drag a car tire a long ways, lol .
If this is a pay job I would invest in some cage traps , it only makes sense if your going to continue doing this type of work. Other wise I like The Beavs idea of catching the cat in a cage , then overhauling the coon in 160 boxes.
Posted By: Mike in A-town
Re: anchoring traps to concrete ideas. - 06/01/24 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by HayDay
Inside the buildings with concrete floors, how big are the doors? If you can close it up a bit, You could nail the chain of a DP or coil spring to a wooden fence post (or piece of tree branch) and use that as a drag inside the building. Fasten it towards the middle and it will hang up on all kinds of stuff. They won't get far.
mostly 3 sided buildings and an old corn crib that has an 8foot door at each end
some of the buildings have farm trucks tractors and planters so I need to plant the coons to one place
I think I found a solution
my son works at a hardware store , so I went to visit him they had hammer drill bits that had 1/4 inch hex heads I bought one in 3/8 and I have a 1/2 inch square drive to 1/4 hex impact adapter
I tried it on an old concrete bock I have at the house
the 1/2 inch impact ran a hole right in , and then switch to the 9/16 socket and drive the 3/8 x3 inch concrete screw anchor , then they can be pulled right back out
I already have the battery powered impact I keep in my truck.
it was actually faster than driving a stake in hard ground
I will be leaving 3/8 holes but in the more busted up concrete that shouldn't be an issue.
this is very similar to a 3/8 x3 inch devcon just not blue
If you have the means to drill into the concrete then you might look at Redhead Drop-In anchors... Drill hole, drop in anchor, set anchor with set tool, run bolt into anchor. Done.
They have the added benefit of being flush to the floor. So you can leave them or run a fastener in and shear it off even with the floor.
Mike
